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posted by Mathew Sherman  on July 22, 2011, 5:45 p.m. (8 years, 2 months, 27 days ago)
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Just wondering how many out there are using Isilon vs BlueArc for NAS. We are a very large broadcaster with roughly 150 designers and about 150 editors split between three sites (in the same city, but with fiber between sites). We use a combination of Adobe 2D/3D plus 3dsMAX and Cinema 4D and are 50% Mac (for design) and 50% Windows (Avid editors who also use Adobe from time to time. Note- we only use Avid ISIS for video streaming, no FCP/Premiere or any video playback from NAS). We currently use Isilon 12000X but are considering either adding some X200 nodes with partial SSD or switching to BlueArc. I’d love to hear your thoughts.

 

Regards,

Mathew.

 


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Response from Todd Smith @ July 26, 2011, 12:50 p.m.

On 2011-07-26, at 12:29 PM, Jeff Yana wrote:
Are you using SMB alongside NFS for the same share/export? If so, most likely you are using named streams for Windows filesharing which will disable the generation of Apple Double files for your NFS users. Named streams is enabled by default on BA systems but not on Isilon, IIRC. NFS does not support named streams so it may be that mixing the two is what you are seeing.

Maybe try using an NFS-only solution and then open a ticket with TAC?

Jeff

This problem has existed in the past with NFS only solutions in a Mac/Linux environment. 
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Response from Jeff Yana @ July 26, 2011, 12:30 p.m.
Are you using SMB alongside NFS for the same share/export? If so, most likely you are using named streams for Windows filesharing which will disable the generation of Apple Double files for your NFS users. Named streams is enabled by default on BA systems but not on Isilon, IIRC. NFS does not support named streams so it may be that mixing the two is what you are seeing. Maybe try using an NFS-only solution and then open a ticket with TAC? Jeff > > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:22:55 +0100 > From: Ben De Luca > Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] BlueArc Mercury vs Isilon X200 with SSD > To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey, > The mac issue sounds familiar to an issue we had with linux nfs > server to mac nfs. Files were missing in finder but were there in a > shell. > > It had some thing to do with the extra files that macs write to > folders. Deleting the files and disabling their creation caused the > missing files to re-appear. > > On a mac set, to stop them being created > defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores true > > > In a shell > find / ( -name ".DS_Store" -or -name "._*" ) -exec rm -rf } ; > > > End of StudioSysAdmins-Discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 23 > ******************************************************* >

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Response from Peter Prieto @ July 23, 2011, 5:10 p.m.
I would suggest keeping your current Isilon adding Isilon NL if you need more capacity, but adding Avere FXT on the front end for performance.....best of both worlds and very cost effective....

Peter Prieto707-654-3475
On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Mathew Sherman <Mathew.Sherman@bellmedia.ca> wrote:

Just wondering how many out there are using Isilon vs BlueArc for NAS. We are a very large broadcaster with roughly 150 designers and about 150 editors split between three sites (in the same city, but with fiber between sites). We use a combination of Adobe 2D/3D plus 3dsMAX and Cinema 4D and are 50% Mac (for design) and 50% Windows (Avid editors who also use Adobe from time to time. Note- we only use Avid ISIS for video streaming, no FCP/Premiere or any video playback from NAS). We currently use Isilon 12000X but are considering either adding some X200 nodes with partial SSD or switching to BlueArc. I d love to hear your thoughts.

 

Regards,

Mathew.

 


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Response from Ben De Luca @ July 23, 2011, 4:25 a.m.
Hey, The mac issue sounds familiar to an issue we had with linux nfs server to mac nfs. Files were missing in finder but were there in a shell. It had some thing to do with the extra files that macs write to folders. Deleting the files and disabling their creation caused the missing files to re-appear. On a mac set, to stop them being created defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores true In a shell find / ( -name ".DS_Store" -or -name "._*" ) -exec rm -rf } ;

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Response from Vincent Liggio @ July 22, 2011, 10:35 p.m.
If you're looking at the Mercury, it supports SSD for metadata or as primary storage. Vince On Fri, 22 Jul 2011, Mathew Sherman wrote: > > Just wondering how many out there are using Isilon vs BlueArc for NAS. We are a very large broadcaster with roughly 150 designers and about 150 > editors split between three sites (in the same city, but with fiber between sites). We use a combination of Adobe 2D/3D plus 3dsMAX and Cinema 4D > and are 50% Mac (for design) and 50% Windows (Avid editors who also use Adobe from time to time. Note- we only use Avid ISIS for video streaming, > no FCP/Premiere or any video playback from NAS). We currently use Isilon 12000X but are considering either adding some X200 nodes with partial SSD > or switching to BlueArc. I?d love to hear your thoughts. > > ? > > Regards, > > Mathew. > > ? > > >

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Response from Greg Ercolano @ July 22, 2011, 9:40 p.m.
On 07/22/11 15:50, Daniel Roizman wrote: > We have an odd problem with Blue and Mac NFS where sometimes an artist > will save a file to disk, but their machine cannot see or open the file. > Other machines on the network also can't see the file. Sounds like client side caching of some kind.. sounds kinda similar to the 'oplocks' client side caching issue I've seen for years with Samba shares. > The strange thing is that you can see the file in Finder, > 'more or cat' the file in a terminal, but Apps can't access it. Eww, 'cat' and 'more' can access the file, but other applications (I'm assuming GUI apps) cannot? Since 'cat' and 'more' are really applications themselves, that would seem to imply the apps in question are using a different file system API than the normal unix libc stuff. Yuck. Some gui file browsers use system calls that are not standard to detect e.g. changes in the contents of directories, and probably those calls include caching for optimization, and these caches are not getting marked dirty.. or some such.

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Response from Brian Krusic @ July 22, 2011, 7:15 p.m.
Yes, we also noticed the same issue as of 10.6.6 upgrade.
Unsure how to approach, but if I find a solution, I will share.
- Brian






On Jul 22, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Daniel Roizman wrote:
We have an odd problem with Blue and Mac NFS where sometimes an artist will save a file to disk, but their machine cannot see or open the file.  Other machines on the network also can't see the file.  After a reboot or approx 1hr, the file becomes accessible again.  The strange thing is that you can see the file in Finder, 'more or cat' the file in a terminal, but Apps can't access it.  The theory here is that something in the OSX file cache DB isn't being notify to update its cache.

Definitely go with SAS disk, we are in the process of moving from Nearline SATA to SAS.  Nearline was ok with 40-60 artists, but that really pushed the limits. 

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Mathew Sherman <Mathew.Sherman@bellmedia.ca> wrote:

Just wondering how many out there are using Isilon vs BlueArc for NAS. We are a very large broadcaster with roughly 150 designers and about 150 editors split between three sites (in the same city, but with fiber between sites). We use a combination of Adobe 2D/3D plus 3dsMAX and Cinema 4D and are 50% Mac (for design) and 50% Windows (Avid editors who also use Adobe from time to time. Note- we only use Avid ISIS for video streaming, no FCP/Premiere or any video playback from NAS). We currently use Isilon 12000X but are considering either adding some X200 nodes with partial SSD or switching to BlueArc. I?d love to hear your thoughts.

 

Regards,

Mathew.

 




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